Following some of the recent comments about the use of the Single Transferable Vote system for the C&RT Council elections, I decided to go off and give myself a refresher course in order to try and demystify it and, hopefully, lay to rest a myth or two. I won't try and explain how it works, because there is a really good explanation on Wikipedia here, which, it has to be said, puts the Electoral Reform Society's website to shame.
The first myth that needs challenging is that under STV you only get one vote, whereas under FPTP (first past the post) you get as many votes as there are seats. In fact, under STV, you get to express as many preferences as you like, up to the total number of candidates. What's more, you can differentiate subtly between them, whereas under FPTP you have to pick four (if the C&RT elections were held on this basis) as if you liked them all equally, and reject all the others.
Under STV, it's true, your votes don't all count equally; your first preference carries more weight than your second preference, and so on down your list, but overall, that gives a result that more closely reflects the wishes of the electorate, and your own preferences too. And of course, under FPTP, it is perfectly possible that none of your votes will count at all, whereas under STV you can be certain that they all have weight.
Take an example in which there are ten candidates for four seats, and a total of 10,000 votes are cast. Under FPTP, you vote for Albert, Bill, Charlotte and Denise, but Gus, Henrietta, Ignatious and Jane are elected. Your four votes have all been completely wasted; you might as well not have bothered filling in the ballot paper. Furthermore, say Jane needed 800 votes to get elected (don't forget that under FPTP, especially if there is a large field of candidates, it is perfectly possible, indeed likely, that people will win a seat on the basis of a very small share of the vote), but she actually got 3000. That means that 2,200 of those votes were also wasted; they didn't count.
Under STV however, if you vote for a candidate who is eliminated because they have too few first preference votes to be elected, then your second preference vote will be counted, and so on. Likewise, if your first preference candidate is elected with votes to spare, your second preference will be counted and so on. The way in which surplus votes are redistributed varies, but with computerised counting systems it is now possible to redistribute surplus votes in proportion to the second (or subsequent) preferences expressed in all the votes counted, not just a random selection of ballot papers.
STV encourages positive voting, voting for the candidates you want to win; it makes negative and tactical voting not only difficult, but unnecessary. It militates against party (or other group) domination and is fairer to individual and independent candidates.
It is not a purely proportional system, although in a party based election, where constituencies are large enough, it will produce a reasonably proportional result, and certainly more so than FPTP, but that isn't its only, or even its primary advantage. It is its fairness between candidates, and the accuracy with which it reflects the electorate's wishes, that makes STV the best system for the C&RT Council elections.
Kilmouski on test
4 hours ago
Your explanation is much easier on the brain than that given elsewhere by a certain other candidate!ReplyDelete
Now, (just hypothetically) say a certain organisation cajoles its boat owning members into action to all vote for the 4 candidates of the organisation's choosing.....
How hard, (or easy!) is it for them to win all the places ?
Do they need to make any specific recommendation to their members to place their candidates in a certain order. I imagine it would be hard to tell, say, half their members to place candidates in the order George, John, Paul and Ringo, and to tell the other half to prioritise them in thein the order Ringo, Paul, John & George.
Can't get my brain around this at this time of the evening, but would any strategy like that, (if they could actually make it happen) actually increase their chances of taking every place ?
I suspect that the STV makes trying to organise a voting strategy within something like the boating community an impossibility. Maybe I adopt an overly simplistic approach but I will simply rank my top 4 candidates and let the process take care of the rest. As for my own preferences? I will vote for myself as number 1 (logical) and Alan F gets No2.ReplyDelete
Andy - Why only four? With STV the number of seats is irrelevant to how many votes you cast. You really should keep expressing preferences until there really is nothing to chose between the remaining candidates for you. If there is someone you really *don't* want to see elected, then expressing preferences above them could help prevent it. A lower preference will never damage the chances of a higher one, as it will only be counted once then higher preference candidate has either been elected or eliminated.ReplyDelete
Alan - STV makes it harder to get a slate elected because first preferences are counted first. If the organisation had a big enough membership, it might be worth them recommending different preference orders to different sub groups - but already it is getting a lot more difficult for the organisation to control the process. Normally in party based elections I think the party organisation recommends one list order to all its members/supporters, and accepts that not all its candidates will be elected.
If there is more than one organisation of roughly similar size, with different slates, it is likely that the first (and possibly second) preference of each will get elected, rather than the first, second, third and fourth of the slightly larger organisation, and none from the slightly smaller one, as would happen under FPTP. This has got to be a good thing in representing the wishes of the electorate.